Today’s essay is a special submission from a friend. Thought up on an Asian beach while watching sunsets and written near the plains of the urheimat, Bronze Age Pervert sends this message on the issue of paganism. This is his first long form piece since the raving success Bronze Age Mindset. Enjoy.
After Trump won there were left wing Witch Covens that tried to place a hex on him or Pence. The altright warlocks, those who roleplay Himmler, meanwhile wish people hokey “Happy Yule to You” and such things. Didn’t you know Christmas was really Teutonic and only belongs to Are People? I know many of you enjoy Ted Kaczynski, I myself haven’t studied him deeply, but I think he made fun of the pagans of our time. They don’t seem to believe it, but to be playing a part, and not very well. Someone else—or was it him?—mentioned they all like only the nice and tame female deities. But the male gods and demons who ask for blood and sacrifice? Well it’s like with the Carpocratians that I mentioned before: were you to promote this in public you’d be quickly crushed by the feds. Same also with the decaf Satanists who have tamed and edited their fearsome god into new age self-help. So neopaganism as understood now seems to many a joke, or to others an embarrassment.
I know the theories of Alex Jones and others, we all want them to be true…at least it’s more flattering to think we’re being fleeced by an international cabal of sexcrazed child-eating real Satanists than what we actually see. The sexless husks who run the American and European permanent states…there has to be something more, or a more fearsome power behind them, no? But what if there isn’t. What if there is no pagan conspiracy thousands of years old, but instead only the gray and beige subhuman species of today, the hueman bred for centuries by Christianity for subjection, just like Nietzsche said? What if this dour atheist detritus is the legacy of historical Christianity, that has receded only to leave behind this rat-being?
And on this matter, the believing Christians of now have little to be proud of as a group when they compare themselves to the neopagans. No I don’t believe pope faggot has any genuine belief in the truth of his own religion: he refuses the red shoes…the red shoes that would signal his readiness for martyrdom, which is the surety of faith. Well, he’s a Jesuit. The Lutherans and many of the Protestants have churches that are just as debased, Anglican churches are nothing but LGBT community centers for exhibitions of Hindoo dance and so on. How is the roleplaying about Jesus being a lame modern ghey pacifist, and Christianity being “noble” spiritual cuckoldry, any less embarrassing than the neopagans? And among the online “Trad Cath” brigades there are just as many embarrassing roleplayers, and as many active feds, as among the neopagans. Many of you have hope for the Orthodox, not knowing that this church has always been submissive to the state: if change in regime in Russia as the globalists want, church would switch its beliefs.
As for the many altright Jews reading this, you know very well that your religion and the Jewish nation as a whole is less cohesive and more pozzed than followers of Kevin MacDonald claim. The Reform sect is a gay social club, the chief of Conservative variety declared that being a homo is cool if there’s no buttsex (his daughter is a dyke). Orthodox grils believe that sodomy with negros is OK before marriage because of rules and loopholes. For now the only hope for you is with the Haredi, just like among the Christians it is with the Amish, the Mennonites and similar hermit peoples. But Ron Unz says he hired student to verify Israel Shahak’s claims, and that they are true: such people worship multiple deities and use spells. So they may be after all the real pagans.
What then? Among all this confusion and degradation of modern sects I make brief explanation of old paganism and neopaganism, so that you see the real thing, and the varieties, and don’t judge it by the embarrassing things you see around us and online.
For all the jokes about it, there is a reason many, and many on the right are attracted to it, who seek rejuvenation of the West, or who seek a new path. And in history it comes back, in real and luminous form, at certain times…so…it will not go away…
The spiritual father of neopaganism of the true and powerful variety is Nietzsche. He had many followers in the first part of 20 th Century all across Europe. They understood what he said, where the academics and idiots after 1950 mostly do not, but try to obfuscate. In our own time there are men like Dominique Venner who also understood what Nietzsche said, and the meaning of neopaganism. The scholar Karl Lowith, who was Jewish but a Nietzschean (as many were), said somewhere that neopaganism is exoteric Nietzscheanism. And it was so in his time. What this means?
In suicide note Dominique Venner speaks of our European memory that goes back to Homer. And this is what means, both him, and Nietzsche. It is what meant also for ancient Greeks, who used Homer as traditional Christians have used the Bible. Homer and his heroic and luminous vision of the Bronze Age is the hope of this kind of neopagan. Such men reject the small-souled liberal and democrat and the spiritual shopkeeper and Last Man and slave of modern age. They admire the great men of antiquity and see various periods—Archaic Greece, republican Rome, parts of imperial age Rome—as the apex of mankind. The time when the highest human specimens and happiest human life was possible. They see Caesar and Alexander and Scipio and all the great heroes of antiquity, both of history and from Homer—how can they not be amazed! And how is such life possible now? But maybe it’s possible. This is their guide, and its regeneration in their own time is their task. The best among such neopagans know that a full revival of this vision is impossible, at least not directly, so they try to adjust what is possible in their own age. This is the true meaning of “neopaganism” and it has nothing to do with pretending to scream to Wotan in forest, roleplay worship of a piece of holy dung, or any such things; those are at most an occasional cosmetic flourish or affectation. When you see the glory of Diomedes and his transfiguration into lion of divine light in Iliad, then question comes to neopagan, how to recapture this height in our time.
This is what might be called moral-political neopaganism and it has a long tradition in the West. It is not just modern phenomenon. What else is the Renaissance? And if you don’t believe this, see Machiavelli:
In thinking, therefore, of whence it should happen that in those ancient times the people were greater lovers of Liberty than in these times, I believe it results from the same reason which makes men presently less strong, which I believe is the difference between our education and that of the ancients, founded on the difference between our Religion and the ancients. For, as our Religion shows the truth and the true way [of life], it causes us to esteem less the honors of the world: while the Gentiles [Pagans] esteeming them greatly, and having placed the highest good in them, were more ferocious in their actions. Which can be observed from many of their institutions, beginning with the magnificence of their sacrifices [as compared] to the humility of ours, in which there is some pomp more delicate than magnificent, but no ferocious or energetic actions. Theirs did not lack pomp and magnificence or ceremony, but there was added the action of sacrifice full of blood and ferocity, the killing of many animals, which sight being terrible it rendered the men like unto it. In addition to this, the ancient Religion did not beatify men except those full of worldly glory, such as were the Captains of armies and Princes of Republics. Our Religion has glorified more humble and contemplative men rather than men of action. It also places the highest good in humility, lowliness, and contempt of human things: the other places it in the greatness of soul, the strength of body, and all the other things which make men very brave. And, if our Religion requires that there be strength [of soul] in you, it desires that you be more adept at suffering than in achieving great deeds.
And he says many other similar things. (Of course he goes on to say that Christianity has been “misinterpreted” in his time according to weakness and wickedness, and so to excuse real Christianity from that practiced in his age. His abuse is directed mostly against the priesthood and the priestly type and priestly spirit, not the religion itself. But whether he believed this, or whether he couldn’t go so far as to embrace Hellenism fully, who knows?) And in any case you see how Schopenhauer mentions the examples of Giordano Bruno and Spinoza, men who as he says “had their home on the Ganges,” ancient pagans reborn in their time, abused and burned or persecuted by vulgar and bigoted priests. I mean to say that there were many like Machiavelli and Bruno, on various points of this spectrum, who sought a revival of the spirit of antiquity. And all the paintings and sculptures of Venus and the other gods and goddesses and heroes of Homer and the other Greeks, what else was this?
Well that’s real neopaganism, not the kind that can be attacked as roleplay or kitsch. If you are truly inspired by Wotan, work to be Wagner or Botticelli, don’t try to replicate rituals to which you have no direct connection. It is great artists who can awaken this luminous vision and who can rekindle heroism and beauty in its right forms.
This moral-political-artistic neopaganism is often accompanied by a kind of philosophical neopaganism. And you see the first of this variety among the ancient pagans of Roman time who were reacting against Christianity. Its main public figure was Emperor Julian, called “the Apostate,” but there were a few others. Emperor Julian grew up a Christian but rejected this new religion in favor of the old gods of Rome and Greece. He was maybe the “first” neopagan. But he could never actually return to that primal faith in any innocent way. Instead he reinterpreted the gods in a philosophical sense, you can think of, as “symbols” of various physical phenomena or psychological states, or you can think of as “archetypes.” This is what Jungians and people like Peterson also do, of course in very different way.
I am not too fond of this kind of neopaganism. But it can work to make it “understandable” and “respectable” to people who are secular and also actually to believing Christians and those of other religions, who can now appreciate a kind of philosophized or psychologized version of pagan belief. The reason I don’t like this kind of neopaganism is because it’s rationalized and therefore in embracing it you miss both the full aesthetic and direct experience that an ancient pagan might have had, the spiritual aspect is actually completely gone. And also because this approach can be uncoupled entirely from the very potent moral-political revival I mentioned above. In fact Emperor Julian attempted, with full political and military force, to reestablish paganism as the state religion. And if you read his writings you see he also believed in what I have called the moral-political neopaganism: he extols the great men and generals of Greco-Roman antiquity, and contrasts this to the small men and slaves of the Old and New Testaments. But as to this approach of reinterpreting the gods rationally by itself, this “philosophical and rational neopaganism,” this can in principle be compatible with almost any other religion (as historical “oddity”) or political arrangement. Even the modern liberal bugman can embrace this charming vision. Why of course “Apollo” only represents order and measure and self-restraint, and Kronos is just the force of “Time”… and so everything becomes a toothless allegory and symbol.
Thus you see three attempts at neopaganism: the very ancient, starting with Emperor Julian and some others. The Renaissance itself. And the early 20 th Century and late 19 th Century where various artists and men of action followed Nietzsche and a couple of others (it had already begun before Nietzsche, with Wagner musics and others, but he made it explode). And all three were primarily a moral-political force, an attempt to reestablish the moral vision of Homer, and also an artistic and aesthetic force, an attempt to reestablish the luminous and brilliant art of Archaic and Classical Greeks, or to establish new art forms based on the pagan sense of heroism, speed and action. There was also a philosophical component that was very serious, but it wasn’t the part about trying to find rational explanations for the gods and myths, or to reinterpret them as allegories and life stories. No, the philosophical vision of Nietzsche and others sought to reestablish the pagan sense of time as cyclical, and to find the very primal ideas of matter and thought unmolested by the strains that had led to modern decay. To rediscover again unspoiled nature.
As part of this concern with modern decay the neopagans of all three periods I mentioned have great hostility to Christianity. They don’t see how Christianity can offer a different path from the decay they see around them. Many like Nietzsche and Venner have great respect for Christianity of Europe in its time of ascent. But the modern bugman in some sense “triumphed” over Christianity while in another sense he was not its negation but its son and child. The medieval European military aristocracy, the knighthood was Christian but as Venner and Nietzsche and many others never tire of saying, they had very deep quarrel with the priests and their role in this religion was very uncomfortable. We like to roleplay about Deus Vult. But look at how the priest Bartolome de las Casas throws abuse on the Spanish knighthood for their conquest of the New World. Well that attitude was very common and the quarrel between king and church, knighthood and priesthood ran deeper than the “jocks vs. nerds” meme. There is then the feeling among the many neopagans that Christianity favors the dumb, the small in spirit, the bugman and that it hates and wants to corrupt and destroy the higher specimens. This is why they’re hostile. But I’m not here to beat this old path. Neopagans reject Christianity, but reject it for very different reasons than the atheist or liberal does.
I believe that in this last point may be found basis for a truce. As the neopagan vision of Nietzsche and Venner hasn’t completely conquered the right and the youth, and since the majority of men who stand for manliness and excellence are believing Christians, I believe it is foolish for neopagans or those who seek the revival of Greece to continue anti-Christian diatribe. But also on the other side the Christians must recognize a cousin in the neopagan and an ally in fight against common enemy. True traditional Catholics must learn to hate the atheist, the liberal, and the bugman more than the bogeyman of “the pagan.”
There is in this also personal story. I grew up without any religion. It is hard for Americans to understand this, because all Americans, especially atheist, grow up with very strong religious moral code. Or, I don’t know where they think “human rights” and their morality, to which they have fanatic devotion, comes from. But I grew up without any of this. Some time around when I was thirteen I began to read Plato and others, and later Nietzsche. I never had any feeling for or against Christianity to begin with, from my upbringing. I was simply indifferent to it, and its theology and ideas and imagery never appealed to me. I became hostile to an idea of Christianity from reading Nietzsche and the other writers I named. But this hostility was never personal. Then I was shocked when later I met people, most of them Jews, who expressed similar ideas as Nietzsche, or somehow glommed on to this neopagan sensibility, or some of its varieties. But then I found out such people were not genuine, but only hated Christianity out of ethnic animus and resentment, because they had grown up that way. Theirs was not a genuine and objective position, but a carry-over of a childhood family teaching and parochial bigotry. I found this highly disgusting and sought to distance myself from this. Therefore I have a personal dislike and distrust of anti-Christianity. And in our time when Christians are attacked by the Last Man, I think it is important for neopagans not to join in such attack…whatever we may believe about the historical origin of the Last Man.
It is also true that Christianity itself preserved much of ancient pagan aesthetics and sensibility in the Middle Ages. Even today Catholic festivals continue pagan festivals, and the devotees and days of saints are much like ancient feasts to various gods and their cults; especially in the Mediterranean, where the warm climate made the demands of life easy so the people had plenty of time to beautify life this way. Also the faith is somewhat versatile, and at least in theory open to a reinterpretation.
I now mention a third variety of “neopaganism,” which is one that I myself hold dear, but which is hardly ever mentioned in these fights. Maybe because so few have access to it and because it’s not easily propagandized one way or the other. And the people who do have access to it are often too shy to talk about it, for good reason. I’ll try not to be too indiscreet.
You could call this an innocent apprehension of the hidden demons and gods inside nature and things. Maybe it is the precursor, this feeling, to the artistic revival of paganism, I don’t know. But it is an innate sensation, a natural animism. I tried briefly to discuss it in book. I have had images appear to me in daydreams since I was small boy, that were very vivid and specific. I know others who have had the same. Then also a sensation of spirits inhabiting animals and inanimate objects too, with a reverence for some, and a pity when others are mistreated — Houellebecq mentions his pity for a line of coats. This is not a sensation informed by any rational doxy or theoretical or theological belief. And I’ve always firmly rejected any such interpretations of these events because I found they didn’t fit. So to such sensibility it is very offensive or stupid when people try to actually go to forest and pretend they worship Wotan or Hermes or whoever…nor have I seen those old gods or any other such specifically that I can name. Those gods are dead or asleep. If you want to see what this feeling is like, watch some of David Lynch. I believe that is what this natural, innocent and innate paganism looks like in our time, when presented naïvely: he simply shows the demons and acknowledges them, doesn’t pretend to know who they are, what they want, or even how to worship or assuage them. And they look terrifying and surreal for us, and not at all like what you’d expect.
I have seen some things like this since I was small boy, and have felt the presence of one in particular. I feel that he will make a great show one day and erupt into the world.
But for any old paganism to be restored, one must let go of the hokey opinions about what real pagans believed in, and what they thought important. When Diocletian was convinced to wipe out Christianity, why did he do it? The Oracle at Delphi told him the god could no longer give direction and no longer answer: because the world was too full of the impious. Then if you read Mishima and other genuine pagans with true understanding of how this natural religion works, you see the great attention he pays to oracles and divination and augury. It is the foundation also of the highest and most sacred rites in Shinto, as of every other natural faith. The first step then, for genuine neopagans, if they seek actually the religious aspect, would be the reestablishment of a genuine and accurate oracle. The establishment of genuine oracle is first step to any new faith.
Then much later the demons and gods will show themselves, but not in any way you would expect, nor by any names you recognize. And it will be they, not you, who will make signs and establish the proper form of worship, and even the meaning and purpose of such worship.
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What a load of shit. Listen to known homosexual tell us what Christianity is about. TradCath Feds? Have you ever spoken to a tradcath? The BAP is more likely a Fed. Orthodox “change their beliefs”? Well they didn’t apostacize even under the worst year of Comunism when nearly all priests were killed. Hard to see them bending to globohomo. Instead I think this is yet another case of a homosexual dismissing Christianity because it reminds him of how disordered and unnatural his mania is. Rectum is not a sex organ BAP! Let’s hope you’re never tasked with buying garbage trucks.
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This is not constructive.
bap is destructive, which is your own cowardly concern. you need to be called out because you are far more poisonous than any of the leftists you claim are your enemies (though you are indistinguishable from).
Why you so worried about BAP’s rectum?
how about his sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance and his degradation of children?
Pagan homosexual nonsense is not constructive, at all.
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I have never heard of this “claremont institute,” former trump cabinet member called “bap” until I started looking at twitter again (though nothing seriously), but this is on the level of q, just less popular.
bap is a satanist duping insecure white nationalists.
q is a freemason duping protestants.
neither know a damn thing about God and His Church, but both q and bap are damned and are just trying to drag others with them.
Dismissing BAP’s position based on unfounded rumors of his sexuality is the inverse of based and red pilled.
“sexuality” an idea invented by freud to deny that man is Lovingly Made In The Image Of God, and that people are just “perversion” and that perversion is “self-expression.”
right up there with your gladiator movie watching machiavellian.
Nietzsche has his moments of brilliance in discussing the negative implications of Christianity, but if I remember correctly, didnt he still admit at the end of his work that a Christian Europe was the only sound way for Western Man to organize himself? That as flawed as it was, it still was his best shot if pursued correctly?
No, what is your source for this? Doesn’t sound like you’ve even read him.
The Church, The Perfection Of Israel that predates all creation, Created all you know and take for granted. Without your Remaining Catholic Capital you lose it all immediately. There are no “negative impacts,” considering We are Eternal and have been here since the start.
I say this often because you do not know.
As Chesterton said of your devilry:
“Of course, this shrinking from the brutal vivacity and brutal variety of common men is a perfectly reasonable and excusable thing as long as it does not pretend to any point of superiority. It is when it calls itself aristocracy or aestheticism or a superiority to the bourgeoisie that its inherent weakness has in justice to be pointed out. Fastidiousness is the most pardonable of vices; but it is the most unpardonable of virtues. Nietzsche, who represents most prominently this pretentious claim of the fastidious, has a description somewhere—a very powerful description in the purely literary sense—of the disgust and disdain which consume him at the sight of the common people with their common faces, their common voices, and their common minds. As I have said, this attitude is almost beautiful if we may regard it as pathetic. Nietzsche’s aristocracy has about it all the sacredness that belongs to the weak. When he makes us feel that he cannot endure the innumerable faces, the incessant voices, the overpowering omnipresence which belongs to the mob, he will have the sympathy of anybody who has ever been sick on a steamer or tired in a crowded omnibus. Every man has hated mankind when he was less than a man. Every man has had humanity in his eyes like a blinding fog, humanity in his nostrils like a suffocating smell. But when Nietzsche has the incredible lack of humour and lack of imagination to ask us to believe that his aristocracy is an aristocracy of strong muscles or an aristocracy of strong wills, it is necessary to point out the truth. It is an aristocracy of weak nerves.”
From a Jungian perspective BAP is ESTP, or at least emphasizes the importance of the ESTP traits. This is the type most strongly driven by fate (Suggestive function – Introverted Intuition) and is also the type most impactful on reality (Strongest function – Extroverted Sensing.) Carries energy, energizes others around a fated task. He’s able to acquire the resources needed to implement logical forms (Introverted Logic) in the material world. It’s no surprise an ESTP like Trump enters real estate. A summer type.
(Nietzsche is an autumn type; post-romantic action – most sensitive type to time. An information accumulator. Able to generate what was missing in a stretch of history that limited the effectiveness of its action. But only can analyze the future or past – INTJ type is not sensitive to the energy of today. Strength is looking forward or backwards and making critical optimizations.)
There are two forces in nature, and that is the force that organizes material following its inner destiny, like a tree turns soil into itself, and the second force is to decompose what exists in the material world into imaginary potential. The insects and small things decompose the tree into rich soil. This second force is the aim of Christian morality, what Nietzsche calls “life serving life” as its aim is to create potential for the imaginary. When people say we want to help the poor, what this amounts to is this second force: the consumption of the material for the service of imaginary potential (what the poor can accomplish). Whereas a manifestation of the first force might make slaves of the poor to serve the great aesthetics of an estate of luxury, or bring them into the service of a historical action. They become submissive to, limited by form, and lose their potential.
Imaginary potential and material form grow by the diminishment of each other.
These forces are in opposition. The tree wants to grow, and does grow as long as its will (or DNA, etc.) and youth remains, but all the time it is surrounded by the second force which seeks to bring down the tree, bubbling with excitement for what MAY be possible afterwards … this is where you hear utopian language and such fantasy … but it is the imaginary potential that they are driven for. The built utopia they would grow agitated with and demand it be torn down for the potential. You can see which force people are in service of in this way …
But this is a balanced logic … I agree with BAP you can’t logic your way into what should be done – it has to be felt like a bulb feels its the right time to burst from soil. But also, the specific names of religions and Gods and movements don’t solve anything for me – language in itself doesn’t carry the energy it alludes to.
Good Is What Is Rightly Ordered, As God Created things to be.
evil, what you are, is an absence of Good caused by a dead soul. what kills the soul? sin. what is sin? division from God. Why are you divided from God? Well all evil starts with stupidity, and then thought that kills itself and then sin; from that point God may mark someone truly unworthy for death and remove any protection from them and let demons (dead, damned spirits; created, contingent beings who hate Humans) have their way with said person.
you are a Human Being Lovingly Made In The Image Of God. you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you this chance to repent. Will, as you use the tern but have no clue what it means, is the Capability to do Good. any evil act, and it seems you do them as easily as you breathe going by your post here, not only destroys the will but prevents it from coming back.
there is no “force” you have fallen into with idiocy, and no dualism or dialectic no matter how hard you demoniacs try.
unable to admit your capital sin of pride is a lie, you demand you are “greater” than God. when you find evil (an absence of Good) is stronger than you, you then demand evil as “greater” as well. reduction to absurdity into “forces” is just your delusion of control as you want to hold onto your capital sin of pride no matter what.
once given over to a reprobate mind, your singular concern comes to propagating your reprobate mind. As The Church Fathers described the original gnostics, from which you are a carefully curated retread of, as being “turned inwards.”
you aren’t a tree, though at this point a tree would be more alive than your kind.
Here’s God Himself on the topic, to St Catherine Of Sienna:
“Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”
Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, Repentance.
death, Judgement, Heaven, or hell.
PERIOD. End Of.
It’s a tragedy that Nietzsche was born posthumously… it would be a farce (for humanity) if BAP was too.
Good article all the same.
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neitzche, like his “father” the devil and like his fellow student of feuerbach marx, is of no concern except to cultural marxists and those who want to join neitzche where he is (but I repeat myself).
he’s in hell for a reason, and spent the last 10 years of his life in an asylum for a reason. how many people can say they directly inspired 2,300,000,000+ Martyrdoms and the worst satanic ritual of all as well as 200,000,000+ murders.
Good article, and mostly decent takes. A minor point: I think too many non-Christians on the dissident right make too much of Amoris Laetitia, extrapolating from that the conclusion that Pope Francis is some kind of globo homo wrecking ball. The reality is that it gave a bit of a sop to a few Jesuit lunatics a few years ago. That’s all cooled off now, and the Pope has since made many formal and informal statements that are supportive of traditional Catholic morality on sex. Yes, the Church is flawed and has to make rhetorical concessions to liberalism to stay mainstream, but it remains the biggest, oldest and best organized anti-progressive institution in the world.
I’d urge neo-pagans etc to stop looking at religions in terms of their social utility and instead examine the doctrines themselves. The case for classical theism is pretty robust, as is the historical case for Christ’s existence, the Church’s authority, and Christian morality. It doesn’t matter if you feel that some version of Classical paganism would be more compatible with red-pilled masculinity, the fundamental question is the truth of the beliefs. Likewise, the lack of any firm pagan doctrine or unifying pagan institution leaves political paganism open to leftward drift, infiltration, and distortion. There are right-wing ethno-pagans but there are also a lot of leftist pagans as well, seeking ‘liberation in nature’ or whatever. Faith needs a centre of authority, and the Church provides that.
The Church is Indefectible.
felling illumined and besmitten by your words
This is the right path — we have a spirit within us that Christians might not, that our ancestors likely didn’t, and it comes from the real world. We might misunderstand the signals we’re given, but we only have to act in a way that is good for us.
you’re right, that “spirit” is a demon, and it is called demonic possession.
Good is what is Rightly Ordered. Not only can you not find that outside of The Church, your friend bap is just trying to justify evil.
This is an interesting and well-written response to BAP’s article: https://wmbriggs.com/post/26911/
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How is Briggs these days?
For an interesting insight into the idea that a spirit animates all things, read Matthew Wood’s “Book of Herbal Wisdom.” According to him, the shape, smells, habitats and other qualities of plants are physical signs of their herbal use to humans. I myself have noticed it since then. If you pay attention, you can look at a plant and guess its medicinal uses.
This animism not incompatible with Christianity, in my opinion. How else would God know the number of hairs on our head, and be aware of the death of every sparrow? How else would Christ drive out demons?
Any careful reading of the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) shows us that the early believers were nothing like most Christians of today, who would be totally shocked if divine or demonic forces physically intervened in our lives.
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God knows the number of hairs on your head because he alone put them there.
Christ, who is God, drives out demons because of Absolute Authority. Priests then drive out demons through that same Absolute Authority, as they act In Person of Christ.
the death of every sparrow is Known and Willed by God.
Belloc described you like this:
“Now the Manichean was so overwhelmed by the experience or prospect of suffering and by the appalling fact that his nature was subject to mortality, that he took refuge in denying the omnipotent goodness of a Creator. He said that evil was at work in the universe just as much as good; the two principles were always fighting as equals one against the other. Man was subject to the one just as much as to the other. If he could struggle at all he should struggle to join the good principle and avoid the power of the bad principle, but he must treat evil as an all-powerful thing. The Manichean recognized an evil god as well as a good god, and he attuned his mind to that appalling conception.
Such a mood bred all sorts of secondary effects. In some men it would lead to devil worship, in many more to magic, that is a dependence on something other than one’s own free will, to tricks by which we might stave off the evil power or cheat it. It also led, paradoxically enough, to the doing of a great deal of evil deliberately, and saying either that it could not be helped or that it did not matter, because we were in any case under the thrall of a thing quite as strong as the power for good and we might as well act accordingly.
But one thing the Manichean of every shade has always felt, and that is, that matter belongs to the evil side of things. Though there may be plenty of evil of a spiritual kind yet good must be wholly spiritual. That is something you find not only in the early Manichean, not only in the Albigensian of the Middle Ages, but even in the most modern of the remaining Puritans. It seems indissolubly connected with the Manichean temper in every form. Matter is subject to decay and is therefore evil. Our bodies are evil. Their appetites are evil. This idea ramifies into all sorts of absurd details. Wine is evil. Pretty well any physical pleasure, or half-physical pleasure, is evil. Joy is evil. Beauty is evil. Amusements are evil—and so on. Anyone who will read the details of the Albigensian story will be struck over and over again by the singularly modern attitude of these ancient heretics, because they had the same root as the Puritans who still, unhappily, survive among us.”
I know BAP said we should not be anti-Christian but Christians like you make it very difficult. You sound like a miserable human.
Now real question: How find oracle?!
The Church Created All you know, don’t know, and all you take for granted. you lose every ounce of it without your Remaining Catholic Capital.
As Chesterton said:
1) you hard-shelled materialists were right on the edge of belief — belief in ANYTHING at all.
2) the fury with which you search after pleasure proves you have none of it.
you are the “white” equivalent of the “black” people who adopt freemason egyptian imagery and think they have descended from space aliens. this is evil enough, but it hides your true purpose, cultural marxism, of which your sodomite minor diety is apparently a master of.
I will tell you right now that outside one other site than this one and a VERY small, exclusive twitter clique no one has heard of this guy. As for your “arguments,” I have yet to meet one of you who isn’t clearly a child (going by your matrix quotes) or who won’t block you immediately because they can’t answer you.
your variety shares that trait with all marxists.
The comment about the Orthodox Church is ignorant and stupid and shows BAP doesn’t know anything about the Orthodox Church. The ottomans murdered and tortured dozens of bishops and murdered many other priests. The communists did the same. The church fought against the state until the state collapsed. Maybe try learning about the actual history of the church…Lord have mercy
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“orthodox” were a prelude to protestantism (synthesis of all heresies), which birthed freemasonry (all heresies at once), which birthed many things that eventually birthed communism. atheism (secular satanism, self-destructive weapon of the freemasons against the basis of the west), satanism (freemasonry but with its ranks based on evil done like satanic rituals and children r*ped), modernism (secular protestantism), post-modernism (secular freemasonry), etc.
“orthodox” were a government heresy designed to create absolute control of the people. their Bishop heresiarchs convinced the emperor to ally with the mohammedans to attack the Church. the heretics were destroyed for it, and the mohammedans took the land as payment for failure. this is why communism and them got along so well and had to ext*rminate all the Russian Catholics.
that have been since the start selling their soul to the devil to attack The Church.
you guys should just watch altiyan childs whistleblow on this whole topic, it will make a Ton more sense than this article. and actually contains evidence.
For the record, the “renaissance” is mostly a myth and a later reconstruction of events.
You ever wonder why we use a french term for a primarily italian phenomena?
well, it has something to do with a little event called the french revolution, and being the good godless protomarxists, they set out to rewrite history to suit their needs and create legitimacy. I can share a six part lecture on this subject to anyone willing to listen. It… pretty much explains everything
I wrote a couple of longposts yesterday, but they got eaten up by moderation or something.
So here’s the TL;DR
“I believe that in this last point may be found basis for a truce. As the neopagan vision of Nietzsche and Venner hasn’t completely conquered the right and the youth, and since the majority of men who stand for manliness and excellence are believing Christians, I believe it is foolish for neopagans or those who seek the revival of Greece to continue anti-Christian diatribe. But also on the other side the Christians must recognize a cousin in the neopagan and an ally in fight against common enemy. True traditional Catholics must learn to hate the atheist, the liberal, and the bugman more than the bogeyman of “the pagan.””
Why should the Christians seek to ally with the pagans? Neopagans are a niche belief, a tiny minority. I would gladly call you a brother in spirit, since I recognize your “innocent paganism” experience as something of my own. But you just have to act in such a condescending manner like pagans are some tough shit.
“Wiccans and Pagans at 0.3% of the total U.S. population or approximately 956,000 people of just over 1,275,000 individuals in the New Age movement”
That’s not even the 2% of jews. Pagans are irrelevant.
Not only that but
“In 2013, a survey of neopagans in New Zealand, England, Wales, Canada, and Australia found 49.8% of women and 44.5% of men identified as non-heterosexual.
Of the non-heterosexual female demographic, 78.5% identified as bisexual and 11.2% identified as lesbian. Of the non-heterosexual male demographic, 55.2% identified as gay and 37.1% identified as bisexual.”
They’re mostly homosexual soylents.
So of that 0.3% (0.4% in NZ, including every sort of New Ager, but I’ll be generous https://rdc.org.nz/summary-of-religious-diversity-in-new-zealand-2018-census/), 80% at least are some kind of soy leftists, and of the remaining 20%, it’s unclear how many of them are right wingers. Are you following the math? Because it’s so miniscule I don’t even want to bother.
And then of the rightwingers that remain, you say yourself that so many are just larpagans.
Neopagans are irrelevant. This isn’t even getting into how much the “neo” part makes paganism a joke, or how much of a joke it is that the “grr, might makes right muh mighty heroes” pagans got completely wiped out by the Christians who imitate “small men and slaves of the Old and New Testaments”. I used to be a slavic neopagan until I realized this truth. One of the many ancient rites our ancestors held on to was the Trial By Combat, or as slavs know it, Divine Judgement. The reason Trial By Combat was practiced isn’t because they were retarded “grr might makes right” savages the larpagans want to emulate. The reason is because they believed that in a fight, especially when the participants invoke the respective Gods, the Gods decide their fate. Nothing is random, or happens just because. Well, the pagan armies fought under the banners of their gods, Christians fought under the banner of theirs. And the small carpenter that was nailed to a cross prevailed over the mighty gods with hammers.
If any traddorks give you grief, I apologize on their behalf. TBH, we don’t want them either. They’re dancing on the grave of an enemy that was vanquished long ago, because it’s an easy victory to celebrate, instead of fighting the actually relevant groups, which is a hard and arduous task. But then, online pagans even such as yourself make yourself an easy target. Where do you get off calling Christianity and Christians weak? Nietzsche was an angry runt that would have been smashed against the rocks as a child in a pagan society for his poor health, who the hell was he to talk about who is strong and weak? Stop being a special snowflake and go to a local traditional church, where real men meet and solve real problems. The kind of spiritual “innocent pagan” experience you are talking about is common among the faithful, and it’s the reason why they believe what they believe and why the strength of their belief conquered empires, even when it was just a weird irrelevant sect in the Roman Empire